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I noticed that with trading and should have a fix in the near future. I've been idling with the updates for a few days while I've been unable to contribute to the code base. Once stocks are able to be fine tuned, then I think the idea of moving those items out of the "luxury" category would work out well. Currently, however, they just drain like no tomorrow when activated outside hunting.

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Yea. That's why you need stocks =]
On Apr 21, 2015 9:31 PM, "Cameron Condry" [email protected] wrote:

I noticed that with trading and should have a fix in the near future. I've
been idling with the updates for a few days while I've been unable to
contribute to the code base. Once stocks are able to be fine tuned, then I
think the idea of moving those items out of the "luxury" category would
work out well. Currently, however, they just drain like no tomorrow when
activated outside hunting.

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Right now what it does is sort of a logrithmic trade where it trades "half catpower and gold" and then half again in5 seconds and repeat.

I don't know the best way to fix these interactions, because we want to allow both hunting and trading and such. Here's a way maybe to resolve this in a general solution:

the main goal of kittens scientists is to automate the tasks which a player could do while active, but could not do by returning to an idle session.

We want to focus primarily on doing things which are resource constrained, ie: constrained on some resource like catpower or science or so forth.

What we've had so far (before the introduction of things like trading) has been that we only do "one" thing per resource, or we do two kinds of things which tend not to interfere such as housing/buildings which very quickly escape our current caps and thus don't crowd out general goods making.

So what if for the other items (trading/hunting combos etc)

we create "triggers" like "catpower reaches xyz" and that triggers certain actions like "trading" and "hunting"

instead of doing a "winner takes all" or a first-come-first-serve deal, we could split between the available resources. This is obviously somewhat less clear in a dual-resource situation, but at least would help some of the impact.

The alternative would be to not consume a large portion of the resources at oncec, and instead go "check if everything is full up front and then only trade once, and only hunt once (not sure that's possible actually....), and so on. This way, if we cap catpower, we will trade once and hunt once, and then re-do this again when it recaps.

This would create more fluid results, I think.

Obviously the main issues with this approach is getting the numbers correct,, and that requires configuration ability.

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I don't disagree that will help make the results more fluid. However, I do think that is a bit overkill at this time with stocks in the pipeline. Manually altering the stocks in the command line makes it manageable to do things like trading and crafting special resources. Only big issue I see currently is there is a lot more micromanagement with the system, since as requirements grow, the player is forced to continue updating stock limits.

I've also avoided allowing multiple resource triggers simply due to the infrequency crafts and builds happen when so many options are vying for the same resource caps. Trading requiring catpower and gold is a good example, since catpower is used with hunting and gold is used on buildings. This makes it a mildly rare occurrence that both resources hit the trigger cap.

With that, I do see potential for a reporting feature that would make it possible to allow all automation to use the pools equally. It would consist of dividing up the available resources on trigger and allotting the various items a specific amount, then outputting the results over the period of time it starts reporting.

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The problem right now is starvation of either trading or hunting. And
starving hunting means zero luxury goods

Stocks can be set fairly reasonable I think and only modified when working
towards a large goal
On Apr 22, 2015 7:12 AM, "Cameron Condry" [email protected] wrote:

I don't disagree that will help make the results more fluid. However, I do
think that is a bit overkill at this time with stocks in the pipeline.
Manually altering the stocks in the command line makes it manageable to do
things like trading and crafting special resources. Only big issue I see
currently is there is a lot more micromanagement with the system, since as
requirements grow, the player is forced to continue updating stock limits.

I've also avoided allowing multiple resource triggers simply due to the
infrequency crafts and builds happen when so many options are vying for the
same resource caps. Trading requiring catpower and gold is a good example,
since catpower is used with hunting and gold is used on buildings. This
makes it a mildly rare occurrence that both resources hit the trigger cap.

With that, I do see potential for a reporting feature that would make it
possible to allow all automation to use the pools equally. It would consist
of dividing up the available resources on trigger and allotting the various
items a specific amount, then outputting the results over the period of
time it starts reporting.

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I think this shows frankly that "luxury" is just wrong. I've ripped it out of my local fork and manually manage the stock limits on parchment, manuscript and compendium and then let crafting happen.

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I agree, and have been letting the system run with the luxury items, minus parchment, get crafted continuously while the crafting check box is selected. It eats resources, but when you have enough, just toggle it back off. However, it does kill some of the automation that you get when the system is allowed to craft luxury items during hunts.

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I just about have this update wrapped up and have decided not to tackle stocks this update since I've already taken this long to finish the update. Currently luxury items will still be built during hunts, and stocks work for resource trading. However, buildings will no honor stocks currently. Should have a stable build up soon (tm).

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