Issue with Hydro Pumped Storage values about entsoe-py HOT 10 CLOSED

1st column should be gross generation ("Actual Aggregated"), 2nd column should be the electricity used to operate the power plants ("Actual Consumption"). Not every country has live gross generation, and therefore directly publishes net generation (1st minus 2nd column).

According to ENTSO-E documentation, "Net Generation is preferred however gross generation could be used where it is available with the better precision. TSOs should decide gross or net generation will be used but the net/gross characteristic should be consistent per Bidding zone. "

Your solution leaves it to the user whether gross or net generation should be retrieved (when available). Vote to merge this pull request.

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Yes ENTSO-E did answer the same.

For the use I have from this client, the positive and negative sign is the best. I will try to correct it on my side and share it if i get solid results.
I'm not sure that the generation and the consumption can occur in the same time, but if it does i will sum both.

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Hi @ThomasAuriel and @jpaduart, I'm reopening this because the same issue has popped up with the generation_forecast query, see #74.

Revisiting this, I saw that we chose to implement this as the nett sum for generation, i.e. we subtract the consumption of pumped hydro from the production.
Looking at that code, I'm not happy with how that code is written, definitely not because it took me a while to remember how it works, what the reasoning is, etc... never a good sign of code if you cannot remember what it does or why it is there.

Thats why I'm thinking of redoing it, and returning the explicit result in the same way as they show it on the transparency platform.
Sure it may break some existing code, so I'll add a flag somewhere so the old behaviour can be reproduced.

What do you guys think?

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I support the possibility of returning both values for consumption and production of hydro power. I've actually made a small hack for this on a branch somewhere, but never turned it into a proper PR.

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Ok, #75 should solve our issue definitely. (I hope)

There is a curious result though:
The generation request for the Netherlands includes a lot of consumption of generation equipment, something other countries (of the one's I've tested) don't seem to have:

Weird is that this information isn't shown on the transparency platform:

Anybody has any idea on how to approach this?

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Sure, you can always install an older version, or you can branch off at any point in history and go you own way. Nobody's code is suddenly going to break

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I've had some exchanges with Entso-e support.

Conclusion is this (indeed the way @fgenoese described):
Some data providers only provide net generation, others provide gross generation and consumption. Hence, the "Actual Aggregated" column can contain either gross or net.
However if you use the net parameter in entsoe-py, it will try to sum gross and consumption, so the result is always net.

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Solution deployed in 0.3.2

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