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minrk avatar minrk commented on May 25, 2024

What's the right language for this? "Take responsibility when consensus cannot be reached"? cc @willingc as well.

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parente avatar parente commented on May 25, 2024

A link to the governance docs / repo would be good in that section too. People / companies need to understand that even council membership can be obtained.

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ellisonbg avatar ellisonbg commented on May 25, 2024

Min, I like that way of putting it, but maybe add "Take responsibility for
the decision..."

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Peter Parente [email protected]
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A link to the governance docs / repo would be good in that section too.
People / companies need to understand that even council membership can be
obtained.


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willingc avatar willingc commented on May 25, 2024

@cameronoelsen Typo in Steering Council description. Should be "led" in this sentence.
Our team is primarily lead by 10 steering committee members who ultimately make the final decisions.

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willingc avatar willingc commented on May 25, 2024

How about this wording?

Technical decisions are guided by open community discussion.

The steering council (link to governance docs as suggested by @parente), as a representative of the greater community, may make decisions to benefit the project's overall health and strategic direction. BDFL Fernando Perez may take responsibility for making a decision when unusual, and likely infrequent, situations warrant, such as steering council deadlock or a time sensitive response.

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cameronoelsen avatar cameronoelsen commented on May 25, 2024

I will fix this right when I get back in the office around 11 ☺️

On Oct 12, 2015, at 8:05 AM, Carol Willing [email protected] wrote:

@cameronoelsen Typo in Steering Council description. Should be "led" in this sentence.
Our team is primarily lead by 10 steering committee members who ultimately make the final decisions.


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fperez avatar fperez commented on May 25, 2024

I like where @willingc is going, thanks! That's precisely what I was looking for, we want to convey that the role of the SC/BDFL is:

  • primarily one of sustaining and nurturing a healthy and open community, where participation in discussion is encouraged from all, where new voices are welcome, and where a diversity of opinion and participants is explicitly desired. We encourage respectful dissent, we value disagreement as a sign of creativity, and we try to steer that community towards better solutions to the many technical and governance problems the project deals with.
  • only when necessary, do the SC/BDFL act as a backstop if the open community discussion and consensus process falters.

Thank you so much, Carol, for your input. Great perspective! Sorry to be going offline now, but I think this is going in a great direction, I trust you to find a good solution for now, we can always iterate again in a few weeks if fine-tuning is needed later.

I'm happy if you all close this with some version of the language in this discussion. If later I think it needs tuning, I'll take it upon myself to just open a PR.

Thanks everyone!

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minrk avatar minrk commented on May 25, 2024

ping @cameronoelsen on this, since it's been a couple of weeks.

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cameronoelsen avatar cameronoelsen commented on May 25, 2024

So do we want to add one or two buttons under the material cards (names of the members on the steering council) that leads outwards to documents describing how we are composed as an organization? As for the supporting subhead, how is this:
"Our team is primarily led by 10 steering committee members who ultimately, when open community discussion and consensus process falters, take responsibility for the final decision."

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willingc avatar willingc commented on May 25, 2024

@cameronoelsen I think @fperez wanted a warmer, more collaborative tone for the Steering Council and Governance sections.

screen shot 2015-10-26 at 4 10 28 pm

Your suggested wording with minor edits would work for steering council:

"Our team is primarily led by 10 steering committee members who, when open community discussion falters on reaching consensus, take responsibility for the project direction and final decision."

screen shot 2015-10-26 at 4 08 06 pm

Under Governance -> Decisions, perhaps just use @fperez's suggested wording:

The Steering Council fosters project governance "... as primarily one of sustaining and nurturing a healthy and open community, where participation in discussion is encouraged from all, where new voices are welcome, and where a diversity of opinion and participants is explicitly desired. We encourage respectful dissent, we value disagreement as a sign of creativity, and we try to steer that community towards better solutions to the many technical and governance problems the project deals with."

Perhaps also followed by the existing wording too.

cc/ @minrk @ellisonbg @fperez

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ellisonbg avatar ellisonbg commented on May 25, 2024

pinging @fperez on this one.

When @cameronoelsen and I work on the website, I usually take passes on the actual content and its language. @cameronoelsen tries to fill in the content when he can, but I think he should focus on the visual design and work with us on the content side of things - especially for stuff like this.

@fperez you pinged me on this one at the start and I should have taken a stab and fixing the content myself but it dropped off my radar in my travels. Do you want to me to submit a PR with a potential fix or would you like to do that?

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