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LeaVerou avatar LeaVerou commented on August 24, 2024

But when you hover over "HTML" it's the current tab so there's no point in clicking it anyway. Yes, it's by design, in order to conserve space. Although maybe I could make it sticky for large screens.

As for the delay, it was actually requested by a beta tester as otherwise it kept auto-hiding when you just moved the mouse a bit, and having used both, I think it's way more usable with the delay.

Therefore, closing this as "By Design".

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rudiedirkx avatar rudiedirkx commented on August 24, 2024

Doesn't matter over which tab you hover. When you hover over it, the entire toolbar (and its tabs) move down, which means you don't hover over the tab anymore. For selected tab and other tabs. (HTML tab isn't the (default) current tab btw...)

In this screen: http://screencast.com/t/LD7zkVOPLE if you want to click HTML, you have to move over it and then move the mouse again. That's strange, isn't it?

The toolbar doesn't need extra height IMO: everything fits in the always visible 40px. No need for the dropdown.

Anyway =) Awesome tool!

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LeaVerou avatar LeaVerou commented on August 24, 2024

Why would you click HTML if it's already selected anyway?

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LeaVerou avatar LeaVerou commented on August 24, 2024

I'm sorry, I think it doesn't display properly in your environment. There's no "always visible 40px" and the tabs shouldn't be partially shown like this unless in the middle of a transition. Can you please send a screenshot of the entire window? What's your resolution?

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rudiedirkx avatar rudiedirkx commented on August 24, 2024

I'm not clicking HTML when it's selected. =) What makes you think so?

Currently this is my document: http://screencast.com/t/S3sNNQOtzyqO (it was different 24 hours ago though (the always visible 40px)).
This is what it looks like when I hover the toolbar (anywhere, but the CSS button is most likely, that's how people work: a button!): http://screencast.com/t/8hwafEhusw

The inner window dimensions are 1257 * 660 (I don't like fullscreen windows), which is big enough. My browser settings force a 16px font size minimum.

This is what the toolbar should look like IMO: http://screencast.com/t/VLlPTSbDlNPQ Always. No dropdown and definitely no moving buttons/tabs. The height of the toolbar depends on the client's font-size, which is great.

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LeaVerou avatar LeaVerou commented on August 24, 2024

Ok, you do see it properly (almost, it's 1-2px off but that's minor), so you're right: It is a design decision.

What I don't get though is this: When it's closed, only the active tab is shown. What's the point of hovering over the active tab with the intent to click it? And the transition is quick enough that once you start moving the cursor towards a specific tab, it's already expanded. So I really don't get the usability problem you're trying to explain besides "moving things bother me and tabs should look like what I'm used to".

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rudiedirkx avatar rudiedirkx commented on August 24, 2024

Good point. I like exotic tabs, but I indeed don't like moving things. You know me so well!

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