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Vladimir-by avatar Vladimir-by commented on July 3, 2024 1

In my case, the rectified voltage will constantly be supplied to the RadSens module and the weather station as a whole. The transition to backup power is carried out from a 18650 lithium battery when the main one is unavailable.

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tonhuisman avatar tonhuisman commented on July 3, 2024 1

I have reserved P163 as the plugin ID for this sensor.

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TD-er avatar TD-er commented on July 3, 2024

And what would be the best way to test these?
Just asking "for a friend" ;)

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Vladimir-by avatar Vladimir-by commented on July 3, 2024

Dear friend, we will check it under normal environmental operating conditions. We won’t go to the nuclear power plant :))

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TD-er avatar TD-er commented on July 3, 2024

I recently bought one of those things from Ali (not with a tube like this, which is probably more sensitive to alpha radiation)
And I was surprised how few radioactive stuff I have.

I don't have any old (greenish coloured) lenses, no 50's red pottery or any old smoke detector.
The old pieces of kitchen table top with black stripes in them I use as support for my 3D printers also don't emit any measurable radiation.

I did order a few of those "magic amulet" thingy which claim to stop radiation and those are for sure as harmful as you wouldn't dare to think.
The actual radiation is about 4x-5x the base radiation level, so isn't that high.
But it sure is dangerous if you keep it always at the same place on your body or even worse if you break it and inhail some of its dust.

So when adding support for this, I will also add some detailed info on this topic as it for sure needs some warnings on how to use it responsible.

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Vladimir-by avatar Vladimir-by commented on July 3, 2024

The RadSens sensor will be included in the weather station for round-the-clock environmental monitoring. At the moment, the ESPEasy firmware with pulse counting is used. A Chinese Geiger counter J305 (similar to M4011) is used. Measurement interval 600 seconds, conversion %value%*100/1510. I wanted to switch to a more modern RadSens module with an I2C bus connection.
The RadSens module will be of interest to many project participants as part of the ESPEasy firmware, as a modern option and a replacement for outdated models.
https://mysku.club/blog/china-stores/78189.html
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TD-er avatar TD-er commented on July 3, 2024

Just to get an idea of what this I2C version is doing...
What kind of data does it collect?
I always got the impression such meters are merely a pulse counter.

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Vladimir-by avatar Vladimir-by commented on July 3, 2024

The RadSens module has its own microcontroller STМ32, which counts pulses and transmits the finished result via the I2C bus

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Vladimir-by avatar Vladimir-by commented on July 3, 2024

It would be better, of course, if the developer participates in the forum (I wrote to the ClimateGuard team). Based on the sources, there should be at least three values from RadSens
https://github.com/climateguard/RadSens/blob/master/examples/I2C_rad_test/I2C_rad_test.ino

  1. Returns dynamic radiation intensity (recommended if measurement period T < 123 sec)
  2. Returns static radiation intensity (recommended if measurement period T = 500 sec)
  3. Returns the accumulated number of pulses registered by the module since the last I2C data reading

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TD-er avatar TD-er commented on July 3, 2024

I don't think what they're selling is too expensive, absolutely not as the parts alone will cost you at least 35-ish euro.
But I don't think you will be getting any better or worse readings compared to just counting pulses yourself.
So if someone is considering building a dosimeter, this might be a good option to start. (no idea what shipping of the units will add to the costs)

Only main advantage (apart from the relative small size) is that the counter can continue to count when the ESP is in deep sleep for example.
I don't know how much current you need to run a geiger counter, so no idea if it even makes sense to try running it on batteries for a long time.

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tonhuisman avatar tonhuisman commented on July 3, 2024

I don't know how much current you need to run a geiger counter, so no idea if it even makes sense to try running it on batteries for a long time.

The website claims it uses max. 50 mA, but it doesn't state if that's with the tube included/installed, as it also claims that for the modules without a tube.

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chemmex avatar chemmex commented on July 3, 2024

The website claims it uses max. 50 mA, but it doesn't state if that's with the tube included/installed, as it also claims that for the modules without a tube.

The tube itself does not add much to the consumption under normal ambient conditions (assuming you are not in Chernobyl forest), so those 50 mA seem quite realistic for the simple mcu controlled HV power stage. However, best example I had consumed just ~20 uA without load, so there's much space for improvement.
Basically, the idea of always on low power pulse counter makes sence, I even have a prototype based on MSP430, it can count pulses from the Geiger tube in LPM3 (RTC clock enabled) mode consuming roughly just ~1 uA and periodically write the data into FRAM. It can then wake up the ESP and send bulk data to the broker, just as the cache reader plugin does.

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Vladimir-by avatar Vladimir-by commented on July 3, 2024

Dear developers, I understand how busy you are in developing the project and maintaining the stability of its work. But can I ask about the RadSens plugin, how soon can we expect support in ESPEasy?

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TD-er avatar TD-er commented on July 3, 2024

Well the past 2.5 months I have been 100% busy implementing support for ESP-IDF5.1 and adding support for ESP32-C2 and -C6 and IPv6 so we can soon add support for Matter.
I have not even ordered this board for implementing support for it, so there is no ETA of when it will be implemented.

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Vladimir-by avatar Vladimir-by commented on July 3, 2024

Thank you, I understand, if necessary, I can test RadSens remotely on the created versions of ESPEasy

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