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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

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For integrating Mazdayasna Zarathushtrish fully into the mod. The events need to be tweaked and adapted to the startdate. The latest version maintained by starwarsfan54 is the one that needs work.

Link to the thread: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?622444-MOD-Mazdayasna-Zarathushtrish-Zoroastrianism-expanded

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

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For the integration of Ancient Religions: the events need to be adapted/tweaked and certain conditions adjusted/expanded. Content can also be added outside of what Ancient Religions has. Celtics are very powerful on the Isles, so perhaps one holy site could be moved towards France. Romullien worked with this, or atleast with reintegrating it so that the events would fire.

The latest version is the https://github.com/xirsoi/ancientreligions branch, as far as I know.

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

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And then there is VIET. I was the one who pushed Enlil to integrate it, but it contains tons of flavour events and traits (almost all of the new traits in this mod are from VIET) that is really popular. It is a part of HIP and maintained by two authours; Cybrxkhan and OrdepNM. The thing with it is that it is not fully compatible with vanilla at the moment (Immersion being rewritten), so what we use is a version that is only maintained in this mod.

What needs to be adapted in it is especially the two big decisions. One of them is Survey Realm. Alternatives to that for tribal realms are necessary, as it references to feudal rulers. The other one is the sacrifice which needs to be adapted for WtWSMS faiths in order to be accurate.

The thread: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?652025-MOD-Vanilla-Immersion-Events-and-Traits-A-Modular-Flavor-and-Tweak-Mod.

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

Patron Deities is a mod that was supposed to be integrated, but seems to have gotten lost in the progress, I will try to notify the authour and ask.

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rquinio avatar rquinio commented on June 10, 2024

Regarding AncientReligions, I noticed that religion keys were different, requiring an error-prone find/replace:

  • I'm going to propose that druidic be renamed celtic_pagan in ACR, as both WtWSMS and CK2+ use this, and I think it's closer to vanilla xxx_pagan convention.
  • For ancient Egyptian religion (which I'm currently retrofitting from CK2+ to ACR), they used egyptian_pagan which I think is better than kemetic_pagan. Would that be ok to rename it in WtWSMS ?

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

For the first, I berlive that superskierpat was in the middle of an overhaul when he stopped developing the mod. Yes, it would be OK, as long as it stays "Kemetic" in game, as we do not have any other good name.

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rquinio avatar rquinio commented on June 10, 2024

I'll redo ACR integration with v0.36, once it is released.

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

Ok, great! Do we have the exact same holy sites as ACR?

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rquinio avatar rquinio commented on June 10, 2024

No, but I'll keep the changes done for WtWSMS :)

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rquinio avatar rquinio commented on June 10, 2024

Ok, I'm starting the retrofit of ACR v0.36.1. Hope that won't be too much of headache !

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

Romulien this event fired in my test-run with the Franks:
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In itself it seems OK (you probably know the background information better than me) but the issue with it is the localisation that says "with the conversion of". Would it be sufficient to have this present at start, or just removing the conversion part, starting with "A number of..."?

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rquinio avatar rquinio commented on June 10, 2024

Ok, fixed it so that Wolftails are present at start, since a number of provinces are celtic_pagan !

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Arcvalons avatar Arcvalons commented on June 10, 2024

Hello. I checked the MZ decisions, and the oddest ones are the "Rebuild Ctesiphon Library" [It hasn't been destroyed, plus it's missing localisation], and the "Rebuild Narwhal Canal" [Again, it hasn't been destroyed].

Now, should province modifiers for an existing Ctesiphon Library and for the Narwhal Canal be added, or should these decisions be removed altogether?

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

Yes, those should be added in. Thank you for noting that!

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

Concerning this, do you two @rquinio and @Arcvalons have an idea of why the Bureaucratic Government form does not work together with the Hellenic religion? http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/wtwsms-bug-reports-technical-issues.827028/page-42#post-20289002 I thought you might have a clue, I haven't been able to figure it out.

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Arcvalons avatar Arcvalons commented on June 10, 2024

Hmm, I don't know, it should work regardless of religion so long as it isn't muslim. Government type mechanics aren't very clear, but it may be with the hellenic religion itself, as in, if it's not completely feudal and allows hereditary city/temple holders that may be causing some conflict. But I don't think that is the case, right?

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

I'm unsure actually. I wonder if a reformed Norse can hold the title, or if there is some different adaptation to do for Hellenism, or if it is just in general for all religions in which the head holds the title.

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Arcvalons avatar Arcvalons commented on June 10, 2024

Right now there are several employment decisions scattered through the mod, including the VIET ones. I was thinking about merging them into a single file, as otherwise they are all over the decisions menu. Not nice to look at. Could we use the "Toggle X Decisions" thing that HIP uses?

There's also a missing decision icon for the "Employ Diplomat" decision. How do I upload non-text files to a repository?

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

We can't use HIP stuff without HIP permitting us to do it. You want to add non-text files? Add them to your client in the files.

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

Are we using CK2Plus stuff in relation to what was integrated from ACR?

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rquinio avatar rquinio commented on June 10, 2024

@loup99 No not really, there's just ACR_other_event.txt with the minor "go pagan" thing.

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loup99 avatar loup99 commented on June 10, 2024

OK, that was what I thought. I think will remove that, it is buggy and a bit out of scope.

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rquinio avatar rquinio commented on June 10, 2024

I propose to close this issue as it is quite big already, and I believe the work stated in original post is now done (feel free to re-open if not !)
Separate issues can be created for each mods that need to be tweaked, or for new versions of the mods.

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