Christian Patriarches about wtwsms HOT 21 CLOSED

I thought CK2 motto was "Don't mess with the Pope" ! These are really dark ages :)

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Well, we are not reallly moving/messing him around, but the bugs need to be fixed!

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Ok, so with the conversion issue it shoul be fixed with the latest commit for conversion. The other issue remains. I will be making him independant, but is ther a way to disable the dejure county thing for the papal states primary holding? Not entirely sure on why it disapeared too, it should stay but without any lands, as in vanilla CK2.

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I think the issues behind the Papal States are related to it being a duchy instead of the kingdom. Will continue to investigate.

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Hmm... the Pope (d_papal_state) does not control Nicene religion and I've tested that controls_religion is actually false for Pentarchs...
So we may need to review vanilla code that is checking controls_religion = no and that can result on a religious conversion :/

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Oh, yes, in that case that needs to be reviewed.

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Should we switch the Pope as head of Nicene religion, rather than the Patriarch of Jerusalem, as suggested in the forum ?
This would probably solve this issue ^^

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Yes, he should be that, Enlil said it too.

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But how do we make it so that all patriarchs have a papal status and are impossible do usurp or displace in any way or form?

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We could use events to maintain their religion.

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Wouldn't that afffect performance?

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How so? We just make an event that fires if a Patriarch isn't Nicene. Or we could make it that if a Patriarch embraces a heresy, provinces and characters under his jurisdiction would have a chance of also converting.

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Yes, but it would require constant checks. If it would not affect it, fair enough.

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If the second option is used, a new patriarch for the old faith needs to be elected though.

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What should happen to d_papal_state, if Rome falls and b_roma is taken by an Arian bishop, he will become the new Pentarch of Rome, no ?
Any schism would be between d_arian and d_orthodox, rather than d_papal_state and d_orthodox ?

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That would be wrong and bad. The pope converting should not really be possible, and if he does so (with good balance around it), it should only give a hit and have a new pope in exile elected. The old faithful might the event to convert too though.

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Also according to http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Autocephaly#Pentarchs, the game will auto-usurp Pentarch seats to fit a religious head, if controlled by a liege of a religion that also has autocephaly.
Though, in case above it doesn't really apply because d_arian religious head has Jerusalem as capital, not Rome.

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OK, so this still needs a fix, because at start I can easily convert the Pope. Is it sufficient to change the vanilla code around "controls_religion"?

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Changed the title, the addition of those events discussed in this issue might be a future thing.

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I've noticed there's a specific character flag "ai_flag_refuse_conversion" used in vanilla (soa_jewish_events.txt) for characters that should not convert
Flag is used via create_character, but it might also work in character history for patriarchs

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That might be something to consider for the historical patriarches.

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