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agfoster avatar agfoster commented on May 23, 2024

I don't think this has always been this way. The last ATT&CK JSON I worked with extensively was either 8 or 9, and I'm fairly certain that at the time STIX versioning was working. It looks like the various versions of the JSON have been regenerated/modified, and I no longer have access to reference copies to compare.

While this isn't necessarily workflow breaking, it does seem that there is a mix of properly versioned & non-versioned objects intermingled, and some of these objects might or might not have a x_mitre meta versioning. It's a bit confusing and frustrating.

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agfoster avatar agfoster commented on May 23, 2024

Taking a look at version 1.0 of the ATT&CK JSON, I get the impression that the "created" time is when the technique was created, not when the STIX object was created. For example:

id, created, modified
('attack-pattern--01df3350-ce05-4bdf-bdf8-0a919a66d4a8', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')
('attack-pattern--dcaa092b-7de9-4a21-977f-7fcb77e89c48', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')
('attack-pattern--9b99b83a-1aac-4e29-b975-b374950551a3', '2017-05-31T21:30:26.946Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')
.........182 more objects......
('attack-pattern--e906ae4d-1d3a-4675-be23-22f7311c0da4', '2017-05-31T21:31:05.140Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')
('attack-pattern--c3bce4f4-9795-46c6-976e-8676300bbc39', '2017-05-31T21:30:33.723Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')
('attack-pattern--514ede4c-78b3-4d78-a38b-daddf6217a79', '2017-05-31T21:30:20.148Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')

According to the STIX spec, The created property represents the time at which the object was originally created. and looking at the timestamps from version 1.0, I get the feeling that the created values were scraped from another database & the modify time is whatever time it happened to be when the script started.

Either way - there are 188 objects in ATT&CK json version 1.0 that imply versioning but don't have requisite properties.

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agfoster avatar agfoster commented on May 23, 2024

There are 188 attack patterns in ATT&CK 1.0 that aren't using STIX 2.1 versioning properly.
('attack-pattern--01df3350-ce05-4bdf-bdf8-0a919a66d4a8', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')
('attack-pattern--dcaa092b-7de9-4a21-977f-7fcb77e89c48', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')
('attack-pattern--9b99b83a-1aac-4e29-b975-b374950551a3', '2017-05-31T21:30:26.946Z', '2018-01-17T12:56:55.080Z')

There are 188 attack patterns in ATT&CK 2.0 that aren't using STIX 2.1 versioning properly.
('attack-pattern--01df3350-ce05-4bdf-bdf8-0a919a66d4a8', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-04-18T17:59:24.739Z')
('attack-pattern--dcaa092b-7de9-4a21-977f-7fcb77e89c48', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-04-18T17:59:24.739Z')
('attack-pattern--9b99b83a-1aac-4e29-b975-b374950551a3', '2017-05-31T21:30:26.946Z', '2018-04-18T17:59:24.739Z')

There are 219 attack patterns in ATT&CK 3.0 that aren't using STIX 2.1 versioning properly.
('attack-pattern--01df3350-ce05-4bdf-bdf8-0a919a66d4a8', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-10-17T00:14:20.652Z')
('attack-pattern--dcaa092b-7de9-4a21-977f-7fcb77e89c48', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-10-17T00:14:20.652Z')
('attack-pattern--9b99b83a-1aac-4e29-b975-b374950551a3', '2017-05-31T21:30:26.946Z', '2018-10-17T00:14:20.652Z')

There are 244 attack patterns in ATT&CK 4.0 that aren't using STIX 2.1 versioning properly.
('attack-pattern--01df3350-ce05-4bdf-bdf8-0a919a66d4a8', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-10-31T13:45:13.024Z')
('attack-pattern--dcaa092b-7de9-4a21-977f-7fcb77e89c48', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-10-31T13:45:13.024Z')
('attack-pattern--9b99b83a-1aac-4e29-b975-b374950551a3', '2017-05-31T21:30:26.946Z', '2018-10-17T00:14:20.652Z')

There are 244 attack patterns in ATT&CK 5.0 that aren't using STIX 2.1 versioning properly.
('attack-pattern--01df3350-ce05-4bdf-bdf8-0a919a66d4a8', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-10-31T13:45:13.024Z')
('attack-pattern--dcaa092b-7de9-4a21-977f-7fcb77e89c48', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2018-10-31T13:45:13.024Z')
('attack-pattern--9b99b83a-1aac-4e29-b975-b374950551a3', '2017-05-31T21:30:26.946Z', '2018-10-17T00:14:20.652Z')

There are 266 attack patterns in ATT&CK 6.0 that aren't using STIX 2.1 versioning properly.
('attack-pattern--01df3350-ce05-4bdf-bdf8-0a919a66d4a8', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2019-06-13T14:49:56.024Z')
('attack-pattern--dcaa092b-7de9-4a21-977f-7fcb77e89c48', '2017-12-14T16:46:06.044Z', '2019-10-14T20:45:04.451Z')
('attack-pattern--9b99b83a-1aac-4e29-b975-b374950551a3', '2017-05-31T21:30:26.946Z', '2019-07-16T19:07:04.652Z')

There are 574 attack patterns in ATT&CK 10.0 that aren't using STIX 2.1 versioning properly.
('attack-pattern--d0b4fcdb-d67d-4ed2-99ce-788b12f8c0f4', '2020-02-11T18:46:56.263Z', '2021-04-29T14:49:39.188Z')
('attack-pattern--cabe189c-a0e3-4965-a473-dcff00f17213', '2020-10-15T12:05:58.755Z', '2021-07-28T01:04:39.141Z')
('attack-pattern--3986e7fd-a8e9-4ecb-bfc6-55920855912b', '2020-08-24T13:43:00.028Z', '2021-06-07T19:23:33.039Z')

There are 422 attack patterns in ATT&CK 11.2 that aren't using STIX 2.1 versioning properly.
('attack-pattern--0042a9f5-f053-4769-b3ef-9ad018dfa298', '2020-01-14T17:18:32.126Z', '2022-04-25T14:00:00.188Z')
('attack-pattern--01327cde-66c4-4123-bf34-5f258d59457b', '2020-02-11T18:28:44.950Z', '2022-04-25T14:00:00.188Z')
('attack-pattern--0259baeb-9f63-4c69-bf10-eb038c390688', '2017-05-31T21:31:25.060Z', '2021-04-29T14:49:39.188Z')

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