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ubitux avatar ubitux commented on May 17, 2024 1

but abuse (illegal activities, cheating, harassment, spamming, etc) should be the responsibility of the upstream (forum)

We cannot moderate ingame servers.

Sure but you could acknowledge reports of these activities when done using an authenticated forum account (and act in consequence by flagging the user for everyone consuming this API).

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pchote avatar pchote commented on May 17, 2024

This sounds reasonable, and should be paired with a fix to revoke all keys associated with an account on the ban event.

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pchote avatar pchote commented on May 17, 2024

I'll also note that, while I think this is a good idea in general, it does not provide a specific solution for moderating the competitive ladder.

Ladder moderation solutions must be implemented downstream, and cannot be offloaded to the general forum infrastructure. Consider the hypothetical scenario where a "newbie" ladder is created, and one of the popular "competitive" players is found to be playing on it to stomp newbies for lolz. The operator of the newbie ladder would have a solid case for banning said player from their ladder. Do you consider it proportionate for that player to also be banned from the competitive ladder, RAGL (by virtue of not being able to join the servers), and all other community servers that require forum authentication? I personally think it might be, but i'm sure that many others in the community won't, so this would cause problems and hurt trust in the authentication system in general.

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ubitux avatar ubitux commented on May 17, 2024

I'll also note that, while I think this is a good idea in general, it does not provide a specific solution for moderating the competitive ladder.

Ladder moderation solutions must be implemented downstream, and cannot be offloaded to the general forum infrastructure. Consider the hypothetical scenario where a "newbie" ladder is created, and one of the popular "competitive" players is found to be playing on it to stomp newbies for lolz. The operator of the newbie ladder would have a solid case for banning said player from their ladder. Do you consider it proportionate for that player to also be banned from the competitive ladder, RAGL (by virtue of not being able to join the servers), and all other community servers that require forum authentication? I personally think it might be, but i'm sure that many others in the community won't, so this would cause problems and hurt trust in the authentication system in general.

I believe layers add up: forum accounts should deal with serious abuse; what you describe is more in the realm of bad manners (smurfing, disrespectful behavior, etc). Bad manners (or any extra ban reason) should at the discretion of the downstreams (forum API users), but abuse (illegal activities, cheating, harassment, spamming, etc) should be the responsibility of the upstream (forum). It is important that all the downstream benefit from the abuse protection offered by the upstream, otherwise an abuser can just jump from downstream to downstream and each of them have to re-implement the protection, while causing a terrible experience for everyone.

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abcdefg30 avatar abcdefg30 commented on May 17, 2024

but abuse (illegal activities, cheating, harassment, spamming, etc) should be the responsibility of the upstream (forum)

We cannot moderate ingame servers.

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