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serkkz avatar serkkz commented on May 30, 2024

If I understand the terms of the Apache 2.0 license correctly, the developer must distribute his application under this license, that is, as an open source. Which is an imposition of licensing, I don't think Panda3D users will be thrilled.

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gabeklavans avatar gabeklavans commented on May 30, 2024

If I understand the terms of the Apache 2.0 license correctly, the developer must distribute his application under this license, that is, as an open source. Which is an imposition of licensing, I don't think Panda3D users will be thrilled.

I'm not a licensing expert but the breakdown on this page seems to suggest that you don't need to apply the Apache 2.0 license to projects that use software under that license https://fossa.com/blog/open-source-licenses-101-apache-license-2-0/

Specifically:

Use the code commercially: Companies can include the licensed code in proprietary software that they then sell to customers.

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serkkz avatar serkkz commented on May 30, 2024

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-audio/blob/master/LICENSE.md

As indicated here in part 4, paragraph "c", it is required to keep the copyright notice form. The problem is that the author of the work can simply include a mention of copyright at the beginning of the source code. Accordingly, you will be forced to distribute it further in this form.

Maybe I'm exaggerating, but that's how I understand it.

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gabeklavans avatar gabeklavans commented on May 30, 2024

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-audio/blob/master/LICENSE.md

As indicated here in part 4, paragraph "c", it is required to keep the copyright notice form. The problem is that the author of the work can simply include a mention of copyright at the beginning of the source code. Accordingly, you will be forced to distribute it further in this form.

Maybe I'm exaggerating, but that's how I understand it.

My understanding is that applies to a derivative of SteamAudio itself, not any project that uses a binary from the unmodified source. But that's definitely at or beyond the limit of my understanding, so I'll let someone more qualified/experienced figure that out

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serkkz avatar serkkz commented on May 30, 2024

Yes, that's right, in fact, you are allowed to change the license at your discretion with compatibility. However, I also don't understand what to do with the SteamAudio source code.

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Wizzerinus avatar Wizzerinus commented on May 30, 2024

apache 2.0 is not a copyleft license, so it shouldn't be an issue on that front

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gabeklavans avatar gabeklavans commented on May 30, 2024

However, I also don't understand what to do with the SteamAudio source code.

From my understating, SteamAudio could replace OpenAL-Soft as an HRTF provider. SteamAudio also provides lots of effects processing for modeled and simulated 3D environments, presumably with high efficiency and with a good API. Of course those last two points are to be actually investigated, first, but it seems promising.

Also I'm not sure what sort of VR support Panda3D has but SteamAudio seems to tout its VR-capabilities.

Panda3D would just implement these as features with some simple way to utilize them, I'm thinking

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gabeklavans avatar gabeklavans commented on May 30, 2024

I suppose SteamAudio going open source doesn't actually affect what I'm proposing, but it makes it more of a pretty option for inclusion, just for being open source, but also since it could be modified for Panda3D's needs and avoid any sort of potential proprietary licensing needs.

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rdb avatar rdb commented on May 30, 2024

Certainly seems worth implementing. The Apache license is not a problem.

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