Qwerty-fr layout is not compatible with non-US keyboard layouts about qwerty-fr HOT 16 OPEN

We are many French in my company to use ISO QWERTY Keyboards while struggling to use French characters... Would love to have such a driver to use.
Moreover from some resellers in France (like Dell) as far as I can tell it's easier to get ISO UK QWERTY keyboards than ANSI US. There's a real need there IMHO.

Could this driver be adapted easily to such layouts ?

ISO keyboard (105)

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What do you think?

I agree that it would be best to not have any variant but I'm afraid this would mean leaving out owners of ISO UK keyboards.

I've been using those since decades as having an ISO format is the only option to be able to use the fr_FR layout on a qwerty keyboard. With an ANSI you can type the < and > keys which are essential for developers.

I think it's very likely I'm not the only one with such keyboards and lots of potential qwerty-fr users will be left out without an UK variant.

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Windows 10

Title might not be correct, ISO is the keyboard I have, it's a UK vs US layout thing I think rather than ISO vs ANSI

As " and @ are reversed between UK and US layouts

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I got confused by this as well. The screenshot shows an ISO design but with US variant, not an UK one, which is kinda strange.

My guess is that qwerty-fr comes from an AZERTY layout that was "QWERTYfied" from an ANSI US variant. That would explain the less/greater signs remaining next to the left Shift key, as there is no such key on an ANSI keyboard

It would make more sense to start from existing QWERTY layouts and augment them with French keys

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@NibblyPig Which OS do you use?

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Windows 10

Title might not be correct, ISO is the keyboard I have, it's a UK vs US layout thing I think rather than ISO vs ANSI

As " and @ are reversed between UK and US layouts

Thanks! Could you edit the title back?

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Thanks, have clarified the issues in the title & message body

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FWIW, I have a fork based on a UK layout at https://github.com/patadune/qwerty-fr/tree/uk_qwerty-fr

I only have the linux variant pushed right now, but will also update macOS/Windows ones

I'm not sure if/how that could be integrated to the qwerty-fr project

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@patadune Does my current qwerty-fr configuration work with UK keyboards? i.e. transforms them into US keyboards without any issues.

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@devnoname120 yes, I mean, apart from the " and @ keys + some others being reversed, as @NibblyPig mentioned

This brings another question: Is qwerty-fr made with ANSI or ISO keyboards in mind? My guess is ANSI, but the screenshots shows ISO, and I don't think there is such a thing as retail ISO US QWERTY keyboards?

I think you could consider having two variants:

• ANSI qwerty-fr based on US (International) (current implementation but with updated geometry/screenshots)
• ISO qwerty-fr based on UK (Extended) (my fork)

I can work on a proper pull request if that looks good to you

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I'm confused: I looked on Apple UK's store to see what the keyboard looks like and it indeed seems to match the current layout (minor the paragraph and the backtick keys), but that's an Apple peculiarity).

Source: https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MMMR3B/A/magic-keyboard-with-touch-id-and-numeric-keypad-for-mac-models-with-apple-silicon-british-english-black-keys

QWERTY-fr isn't meant to be based on US International, but a strict superset of QWERTY. The philosophy of the keyboard is adding new characters and not move/remove any characters that are already there in the base layout.

I would like to avoid having any variants whatsoever unless it's absolutely required (so far it hasn't been). Maintaining variants is extra work, confuses users as to which they should choose, and will make it way harder to eventually integrate the layout into operating systems as built-in.

What do you think?

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Wikipedia has this article on layouts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards

I can't speak for Apple, but that layout would be hard to type on because " and @ are reversed from what I would expect. It does have the £ sign though so it does seem to be UK in some respects.

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@devnoname120 yes, I mean, apart from the " and @ keys + some others being reversed, as @NibblyPig mentioned

This brings another question: Is qwerty-fr made with ANSI or ISO keyboards in mind? My guess is ANSI, but the screenshots shows ISO, and I don't think there is such a thing as retail ISO US QWERTY keyboards?

I think you could consider having two variants:

* ANSI qwerty-fr based on [US (International)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#US-International) (current implementation but with updated geometry/screenshots)

* ISO qwerty-fr based on [UK (Extended)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#United_Kingdom_(Extended)_Layout) (my fork)

I can work on a proper pull request if that looks good to yo

Hello - is there a version that supports UK layout? Where can I find it ?

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This brings another question: Is qwerty-fr made with ANSI or ISO keyboards in mind?

I got confused by this as well. The screenshot shows an ISO design but with US variant, not an UK one, which is kinda strange.

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Leaving this here so that I don't lose it:
https://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#enUS

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See also: #60 (comment)

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