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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024 2

after discussion with @damianooldoni and @bramdhondt we feel it is better for a first go to limit the scope to:

  • riparias target species
  • riparias alert list species

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024 1

@damianooldoni @niconoe I think we should certainly also add the alert list species identified through action A1 as early warning of first records for those is important, I list them here

Plants Crayfish
Crassula helmsii Procambarus acutus
Petasites japonicus Faxonius virilis
Zizania latifolia Faxonius rusticus
Egeria densa Faxonius immunis
Aponogeton distachyos Cherax destructor
Cotula coronopifolia Procambarus virginalis
Houttuynia cordata Creaserinus fodiens
Saururus cernuus Faxonius juvenilis
Pontederia cordata Faxonius neglectus
Gunnera tinctoria Cherax quadricarinatus

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024 1

Based on what has been discussed earlier in this issue, I propose the following.

Species

All species from:

  • LIFE RIPARIAS key species
  • RIPARIAS alert list species
  • List of Invasive Alien Species of Union concern

Grouping

Grouping/categories:

  • LIFE RIPARIAS key species
  • LIFE RIPARIAS alert list species
  • List of Invasive Alien Species of Union concern
  • Plants
  • Animals
  • Crayfishes
  • Vertebrates (chordata)

First three are project based. The last four are taxonomic based.

By adding crayfishes and vertebrates as two different grouping variables, we allow people to select all animals which are not crayfishes and viceversa.

@niconoe: where did you find info about the spread category? IMHO, the spread category can be not very clear for users within and outside the project.

Data structure

A flat table to make things easy! Each group/category is a variable. We love tidy data, isn't?

id name gbif_taxon_key is_key_species is_alert_list_species is_union_list is_plant is_animal is_crayfish is_vertebrate
1 Elodea nuttallii 5329212 T F T T F F F
2 Heracleum mantegazzianum 3034825 T F T T F F F
3 Hydrocotyle ranunculoides 7978544 T F T T F F F
4 Ludwigia grandiflora 5421039 T F T T F F F
17 Orconectes virilis 2227064 T F T F T T F
18 Procambarus fallax 8879526 T F T F T T F
101 Egeria densa 5329260 F T F T F F F
102 Faxonius immunis 8930656 F T F F T T F
201 Ondatra zibethicus 5219858 F F T F T F T
... .. ... ... .. .. .. .. .. ..

@niconoe: I suppose you will put such a table in the repo somewhere and you will read it at every night before triggering a download? Notice that there are some logical constraints you could add while reading this table: in this way, if there are errrors, the previous version of the table is used or, easier, no download is triggered for that night.

Another possible change, @niconoe is to merge the columns is_plant and is_animal to a character column called kingdom. But it would mix up the type of the grouping variables: in my example they are all booleans.

Constraints:

  • no empty values allowed in any column
  • all grouping variables (is_ prefix) are booleans
  • is_plant and is_animal are mutually exclusive ( is_plant != is_animal)
  • is_crayfish and is_vertebrate are mutually exclusive (is_crayfish != is_vertebrate)

Notice these are all basic taxonomic constraints. Some project related constraints could be added too, but I think they could be changed during the project, so I would not add them. Example: is_key_species and is_alert_species are mutually exclusive: but maybe an alert list becomes important and is added as key species? Also, key species are all within the union list I think, but this could change even if it is unlikely, so I would avoid to add constraints on this as well.

@timadriaens, as invasive species expert and RIPARIAS member: do you give us the final GO on the species list and grouping?
@niconoe, as software development of this alert system: do you give us the final GO on the table structure and grouping?

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024 1

a quick check of that table for the crayfish because the taxonomy changed:

Orconectes limosus should be Faxonius limosus, so https://www.gbif.org/species/8909595
O. virilis should be Faxonius virilis, so https://www.gbif.org/species/8971201

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024 1

I worked on the existing species list gsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15f17hXE9ZyUxEe2xA0seKs0CSibgYJdkaWcnmVoI1yY/edit#gid=921617273) and I made three sheets:

  1. the existing one has been renamed to key_species where I applied the taxonomic changes mentioned by @timadriaens in #6 (comment).
  2. a new sheet called alert list species containing the list of species as mentioned by @bramdhondt in #6 (comment)
  3. an early alert species sheet containing the list of species to be used in the early alert system. @niconoe: this sheet is actually your reference sheet which should solve this issue.

Some notes:

  • @timadriaens, @bramdhondt: the crayfish Faxonius virilis is present in both lists (project key species, alert list species). I wonder if this is a mistake or not.
  • @timadriaens, @bramdhondt: could you please check that everything is right?
  • at the moment the cols is_animal and is_crayfish are identical as we opted to look at the RIPARIAS species only. This could change in 2022 of course, so I left both columns.

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024 1

OK, I'd say they are alert list species as they do not occur in the riparias project area but when detected will be rapid responsed

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

@niconoe: one species which should be added to the list and it is not present in the RIPARIAS key species and EU concern lists is Reynoutria japonica (Japanese knotweed).

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024

btw, Gunnera tinctoria and Procambarus virginalis are also on the Union List.

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

@timadriaens: right, I forgot indeed the list of species your team is preparing for action A.1.4! Thanks for reminding us.

So, the RIPARIAS key species and the alert list species should be for sure included. @timadriaens: would you include the speies of the Union lists and Reynoutria japonica as well? I would say yes, but I would like to hear your opinion about this.

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024

Yes, why not, although the management of Reynoutria is currently mostly zero-management. However, if we include Reynoutria, we have to include all 3 species: japonica (2889173), x bohemica (4038485) and sachalinensis (2889088). Many people do not make the disctinction.

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niconoe avatar niconoe commented on July 17, 2024

@damianooldoni: I'm revisiting this, I think many different things were said by different people at a different times on this topic :-)

I was therefore wondering if you could make a quick tour of the stakeholders again (if you think it's needed), and provide me a table / CSV file with all the species that should be included in the first version of the Early Alert system ? This table should have:

  • 1 column with the species name to be shown
  • 1 column with the the GBIF taxon ID
  • possibly: additional columns we should use to group species (see comment below)

the current system classify species on two axis:

  • taxonomic group: plant / crayfish
  • spread: Widespread and abundant species in the pilot river basins / Emerging species with a very restricted range in the pilot river basins / Species still absent from the pilot river basins

Could you also see if we should keep this classification (in that case, I'd need two more columns in the table) or if it should be adjusted. This is not visible in the user interface yet, but classifying them is useful to allow grouped selection in the interface (for example: "show me occurrences of all emergent crayfish species in Senne river basin" rather than manually selecting the species). What I'd like to know:

  • should we classify species (or just keep a flat list)
  • if so, are taxonomic group and spread the right categories or not

I think we that info, we could load more relevant species in the dev website and therefore make it more realistic before the end of the year.

Thanks a lot!

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niconoe avatar niconoe commented on July 17, 2024

Here is the current state of the table, so you can start from that and edit as needed:

id name gbif_taxon_key group category
1 Elodea nuttallii 5329212 PL W
2 Heracleum mantegazzianum 3034825 PL W
3 Hydrocotyle ranunculoides 7978544 PL W
4 Ludwigia grandiflora 5421039 PL W
5 Impatiens glandulifera 2891770 PL W
6 Myriophyllum aquaticum 5361785 PL W
7 Orconectes limosus 2227000 CR w
8 Pacifastacus leniusculus 2226990 CR W
9 Lagarosiphon major 2865565 PL E
10 Lysichiton americanus 2869311 PL E
11 Myriophyllum heterophyllum 5361762 PL E
12 Procambarus clarkii 2227300 CR E
13 Cabomba caroliniana 2882443 PL SA
14 Heracleum persicum 8000520 PL SA
15 Heracleum sosnowskyi 3642949 PL SA
16 Ludwigia peploides 5420991 PL SA
17 Orconectes virilis 2227064 CR SA
18 Procambarus fallax 8879526 CR SA

Legend:

PL=Plant
CR=Crayfish
W=widespread
E=emergent
SA=still absent

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niconoe avatar niconoe commented on July 17, 2024

Thanks a lot @damianooldoni. It's good that we have a species list already, waiting for its confirmation by @timadriaens. A few questions about it:

  • is it only 12 species, or should the table be completed?
  • there are missing IDS for the last three rows

I'll try here to already answer your inline questions:

@niconoe: where did you find info about the spread category? IMHO, the spread category can be not very clear for users within and outside the project.

I think @SoVDH give that data to me at the time. Anyway, we can remove this classification if it's more confusing than helpful to users.

@niconoe: I suppose you will put such a table in the repo somewhere and you will read it at every night before triggering a download? Notice that there are some logical constraints you could add while reading this table: in this way, if there are errors, the previous version of the table is used or, easier, no download is triggered for that night.

No, the web app has a database table for species that acts like the single source of truth for that. This table can be very easily edited by any Admin user (I can give you access so you have a look), constraints are enforced immediately, ... So unless there's some requirements I didn't get yet, I don't see what would be the benefit to make the app dependent of some tabular data in a GitHub repo. (I can elaborate on the why if you want, just tell me!)

Another possible change, @niconoe is to merge the columns is_plant and is_animal to a character column called kingdom. But it would mix up the type of the grouping variables: in my example they are all booleans.

Thanks, that's indeed the possibility. Don't worry too much about the details of the table structure (type of columns, ...). If I have the full species list (with GBIF taxon key) and some explanations in plain English about what should be possible in terms of categories/grouping, that's already great and I'll figure out a table structure that deals with all the constrains we have (we want the code to stay simple and flexible, there are Django conventions, performance considerations, ...).

Have a great weekend!

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

Thanks @niconoe for your comment.

is it only 12 species, or should the table be completed?

Yes, that's just an example of the table format. I have just edited the table by adding dots as last row

there are missing IDS for the last three rows

No, just an error: I have just corrected it.

I will provide you the final table in the format above asap. I think on Monday.

Have a nice weekend you too.

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

Adding on #6 (comment), during short meeting,@timadriaens, @bramdhondt and I decided to not add any category regarding emerging status at the moment to avoid any issue with organisations running their own established alert systems with such categories.

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

From mail of @bramdhondt:

the alert list species in #6 (comment) are quite outdated. The reference document for alert list is still in development. However, we can take these alert list species for early alert system version 1:
afbeelding
afbeelding (1)

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024

Looking good, made a few tweeks:

  • typo Egeria densa
  • Creaserinus fodiens was removed from the alert list after updated risk assessment and replaced by Faxonius juvenilis, I updated that

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

Thanks @timadriaens for checking this! Very much appreciated. Can you also confirm the presence of crayfish Faxonius virilis in both lists (project key species, alert list species) is correct? I assumed that key species were all quite established. But I am still missing something...

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024

ah, yes, F. virilis is not a target species but an alert list species, adjusted in sheet 1 and 3

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

Thanks @timadriaens. I opened the proposal to check the target species myself:
image
As you see @timadriaens: there are 6 species which are absent in pilot river basins: one of them is F. virilis (or Orconectes viriilis, synonym of the Faxonium one). So, it's possible to have target species in the alert list species, unless the target species list has been changed meanwhile?

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024

if they are absent, they are alert list species, right, even if they are mentioned in the original project proposal. The reason they are there (and not considered anymore for the alert list exercise) is simply because they are Union List species. It's a bit of semantics. Does it really matter how they are coded for the system implementation?

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

The importance for the early alert system is about the groups in the taxonomic selection dropdown menu: @niconoe will creates "groups" i nthe data filtering (and in the alert making page) so that users can easily select such groups if they are interested in them (selecting species by species is of course still possible).
The groups are:

  1. all plants
  2. all animals/crayfishses
  3. all LIFE RIPARIAS target species
  4. all LIFE RIPARIAS alert species

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

Thanks @timadriaens. So, we have 19 instead of 20 target species and we state that a species may not be present in both lists (target species and alert species lists). For me it's totally fine. Do you think should I contact Etienne about this as well to be sure nobody complaints about it while using the the early alert system version 1? Or if you want to contact him, you are welcome.

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timadriaens avatar timadriaens commented on July 17, 2024

let's just move forward, this is a small detail. If the code needs to be adjusted later we can easily do it.

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

Happy to hear this! 🥳
@niconoe: I think we have done! You can find the information you need in the tab "species for early alert" of this gsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15f17hXE9ZyUxEe2xA0seKs0CSibgYJdkaWcnmVoI1yY/edit#gid=921617273

I propose, @niconoe the following:

  1. close this issue once you have imported the list in the db
  2. every further development around the list of species for early warning system will be discussed in a new issue and will ALWAYS refer to changes in the gsheet above

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

It seems that we were not the only ones struggling with the question of having a well defined list of species 😄 Xavier Vermeersch from BE had the same problem and this is a nice clear answer of Etienne:

agree with you we should stick as much as possible to what is described in the projet proposal and the grant agreement, which is a selection of EU-listed species and additional species from the alert list.
Amongst EU-listed species, it is indeed: (13 plants + 5 crayfish species) – (Faxonius limosus, Pacifastacus leniusculus and Elodea nuttalii) = 12 plants + 3 crayfish species
For alert-list species, it is: 10 additional plant species + 5 additional crayfish species (as described in the report that has just been finalised).
I hope this could be agreed by everybody and provide more clarity. If we work like this, this is perfectly in line with what was proposed (no modification needed to NEEMO).

My proposal is therefore to refer to such list. I will update our internal gsheet.

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damianooldoni avatar damianooldoni commented on July 17, 2024

I updated the species list in the spreadsheet based on the official list I got by RIPARIAS coordination (BE).

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niconoe avatar niconoe commented on July 17, 2024

@damianooldoni: do we agree the current list of species on the development website is good enough for the first release? In that case, I suggest closing this issue.

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