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muratmaga avatar muratmaga commented on May 30, 2024

it worked with ENABLE_NOVNC.

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ehfd avatar ehfd commented on May 30, 2024

Academia! Hello.
If a TURN Server is set up, it can work on Jetstream as well. It can also work if you expose enough UDP ports on OpenStack.

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ehfd avatar ehfd commented on May 30, 2024

In the future, our goal is to use the QUIC capacity of recent web browsers to remove that constraint.

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muratmaga avatar muratmaga commented on May 30, 2024

Thank you. Do you have any performance comparisons for gstreamer vs novnc? Our intended use is realtime 3D visualization and segmentation of large 3D scan dataset on Jetstream.

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ehfd avatar ehfd commented on May 30, 2024

Thank you. Do you have any performance comparisons for gstreamer vs novnc? Our intended use is realtime 3D visualization and segmentation of large 3D scan dataset on Jetstream.

GStreamer: Stable 1080p 60 fps or higher, can use NVIDIA GPUs
noVNC: You are very lucky if you can reach 15-20 fps...

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muratmaga avatar muratmaga commented on May 30, 2024

Would you be able to advise us on how to set GStreamer up correctly? A100 GPUs really powerful, but would the lack of nvENC is a concern?

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ehfd avatar ehfd commented on May 30, 2024

Would you be able to advise us on how to set GStreamer up correctly? A100 GPUs really powerful, but would the lack of nvENC is a concern?

Argh... A100. This is a GPU that I specifically do not advise for graphical workloads. A40/A10 (of which we mainly use for the National Research Platform NSF project) are fine. But there is x264enc or vp8enc and a good CPU will cover for that NVENC deficit.

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ehfd avatar ehfd commented on May 30, 2024

I will ask the GStreamer team if the new https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/nvcodec/nvcudah264enc.html interface works on A100.

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ehfd avatar ehfd commented on May 30, 2024

But even so, this plugin will be available on GStreamer 1.22, not the current 1.20.

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ehfd avatar ehfd commented on May 30, 2024

References:
https://ucsd-prp.gitlab.io/userdocs/running/gui-desktop/
I work with the DeFanti group of the UCSD Qualcomm Institute and the National Research Platform.
Jetstream is definitely something we can try our best to help on.

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muratmaga avatar muratmaga commented on May 30, 2024

Thank you. Do you have any performance comparisons for gstreamer vs novnc? Our intended use is realtime 3D visualization and segmentation of large 3D scan dataset on Jetstream.

GStreamer: Stable 1080p 60 fps or higher, can use NVIDIA GPUs noVNC: You are very lucky if you can reach 15-20 fps...

What about the bandwidth usage? FPS is not really all that critical (as long as we get 8-10fps, that's totally usable for our purposes). However, mouse interactions and other lag was one of the issues with VNC based solutions, particularly on slow networks.

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muratmaga avatar muratmaga commented on May 30, 2024

References: https://ucsd-prp.gitlab.io/userdocs/running/gui-desktop/ I work with the DeFanti group of the UCSD Qualcomm Institute and the National Research Platform. Jetstream is definitely something we can try our best to help on.

What would be the best way to reach out for help? use this issue tracker or is there a contact we can use?

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ehfd avatar ehfd commented on May 30, 2024

What about the bandwidth usage? FPS is not really all that critical (as long as we get 8-10fps, that's totally usable for our purposes). However, mouse interactions and other lag was one of the issues with VNC based solutions, particularly on slow networks.

Bandwidth of Selkies WebRTC is configurable in the web interface. For 1080p, 3-4mbps should be fine on 30 fps and 8mbps-12mbps on 60 fps is optimal. I could "use" it on a cellular connection capped to 1mbps with 500kbps and 15 fps, but that is too extreme. Mouse interaction actually gets better as fps improves.

Instead of using vncserver -> noVNC or libvirt/OpenStack -> noVNC, try using Xvfb/Xorg -> x11vnc -> noVNC. I have had not much issues on that and it's pretty smooth. My container provides an example of that with NOVNC_ENABLE=true.

What would be the best way to reach out for help? use this issue tracker or is there a contact we can use?

Our engineers at UCSD operate a Matrix instance. Tag @ehfd in https://matrix-to.nrp-nautilus.io/#/#ue4research:matrix.nrp-nautilus.io or https://matrix.to/#/#ue4research:matrix.nrp-nautilus.io according to the below instructions.

https://ucsd-prp.gitlab.io/userdocs/start/contact/

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