Unexpected continuous noise when combining NoLACE with DTX about opus HOT 9 OPEN

Thanks for reporting this @j-schultz. This looks indeed like a bug though it's more likely related to neural PLC (DTX is handled by the PLC module and NoLACE is not active in this case). I tried a few files myself but could not reproduce the issue. Could you share an input file that triggers it? It would also be interesting to know whether the problem is present with dec_complexity = 5 (i.e. neural PLC active and enhancement inactive).

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It does happen with both decoding complexity 5 and 7. I'll see if I can get a minimal example put together - as we are streaming live audio with raw opus frames between clients, I'm not sure how comparable this is to using the file-based opus demo.

I also checked whether different encoding parameters could influence the result...

• Both application type OPUS_APPLICATION_VOIP and OPUS_APPLICATION_AUDIO expose the issue
• Encoding complexity: Tried two different values (5 and 8), no difference
• Does not matter if inband FEC is enabled or not

Apart from that, we force a frame duration: 20ms and obviously DTX is enabled.

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Thanks @j-schultz. In that case it's indeed rather neural PLC that's causing the issue (looping @jmvalin in). There could be many reasons for this to happen (DTX triggered during active speech, feature prediction going wrong in neural PLC, missing buffer update etc.) so it's crucial to find a file that triggers it.

Apart from this, we should probably revise DTX handling at the decoder in general. Handling it with neural PLC means that we run a relatively expensive neural vocoder to generate silence, which is quite wasteful. I will kick of this discussion in https://www.irccloud.com/irc/libera.chat/channel/opus

What you could try as a temporary fix is to set dec_complexity to 0 during DTX and back to 7 once the first active frame is received. That should solve the noise problem and would also save you some complexity.

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Thanks for the suggestion, I applied the temporary workaround and that does seem to do the trick for now.

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Actually I might have spoken too soon, while the (incorrect) work of the PLC can no longer be heard with this change, I still get some faint clicking sound every 400ms even though the source signal is 100% digital silence. So I think I'll wait for a proper fix before turning on NoLACE.

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When in DTX mode, the encoder will send a "refresh" (or keepalive) packet every 400 ms to update the decoder noise estimate. Maybe that's what causing the issue. Are you also setting dec_complexity to 0 on that one?

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For testing I set the complexity to 7 for every successfully received packet and to 0 for any missing packet. So the first packet of the DTX interval still has a complexity of 7. I will change this so that if the packet indicates the start of a DTX phase, it will already reduce the complexity to 0.

Edit: That did the trick.

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Is there a file and exact command line I can use to reproduce the problem?

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Here's a RAW sample file, together with the decoded result that I receive: sample.zip

Encoding command line: opus_demo.exe -e voip 48000 1 25000 -complexity 8 -dtx -framesize 20 withsilence.raw withsilence.opus
Decoding commandline: opus_demo.exe -d 48000 1 -dec_complexity 7 withsilence.opus withsilence.decoded.raw

Opus has been built with the following CMake configuration: cmake -DOPUS_BUILD_PROGRAMS=ON -DOPUS_DEEP_PLC=ON -DOPUS_DRED=ON -DOPUS_OSCE=ON -DOPUS_DNN=ON -DBUILD_SHARED_LIBS=OFF

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