Must `_p_mtime` activate a ghost? about persistent HOT 2 CLOSED

Is there any other reliable way to know that an object has definitively been saved at least once, besides the fact that it has a _p_mtime? That's what our code uses it for.

It's a convenience, in that case, that _p_mtime activates the object. If it did not, code like this:

if obj._p_mtime:
   # we've been saved before
else:
   # we're a brand new object, do first-time stuff

has to become:

obj._p_activate()
if obj._p_mtime:
   # ...
...

Could that code be changed everywhere? Sure. Would it be moderately annoying and an easily-missed source of bugs? Sure.

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I believe the consensus answer is "Yes, _p_mtime must activate the object." I don't know that we every got the rationale documented, but #20 makes it so for pure-Python.

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