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bg7yoz avatar bg7yoz commented on July 30, 2024

hi, Luca6605

在通联时卡在RR73是一个比较有意思的问题。

按照Joe Taylor定义的FT8协议,标准的通联过程共6步:

Tx6: CQ K1JT FN20
Tx1: K1JT K9AN EN50
Tx2: K9AN K1JT -10
Tx3: K1JT K9AN R-12
Tx4: K9AN K1JT RR73
Tx5: K1JT K9AN 73

FT8CN运行的逻辑是当我发送完毕当前步骤后,应当能够收到对方回复的下一个步骤。

如果我发送的是Tx4(RR73)后,我在下一个周期中,应当能收到对方回复的Tx5(73)。如果没有收到对方回复Tx5,FT8CN认为对方可能是没有收到我的Tx4,它会持续发送Tx4,直到对方回复Tx5,或达到“无回复”(No response xx stopped)设定值,FT8CN才会退出循环。之所以这么做,是因为短波传输并不稳定,并非每一次QSO都是顺利的,有时会反复多次。您在通联时,卡在了RR73,应当是没有收到对方的回复,您需要在“设置”->“无回复”(No response xxx stopped)把阈值调小一些,比如:5次或更少。当无法收到对方的回复次数少于5次后,FT8CN会中断与对方的通联,转向下一个目标。

关于通联自动程序方面,FT8CN只是比较简单地实现,并不能做到像人一样思考。当没有收到对方回复时,它无法知道是传输质量下降还是对方终止了传输,它只能按照预定的路径继续呼叫。事实上,FT8CN还是做了一点点判断,当我是Tx4(RR73)时,下一个周期中有对方的消息而不是73,就判断为对方主动终止传输,这就是0.89版中做的修改。

73
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Luca6605 avatar Luca6605 commented on July 30, 2024

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bg7yoz avatar bg7yoz commented on July 30, 2024

您可以尝试如下设置:

Screenshot_20230817_214631

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d3m3vilurr avatar d3m3vilurr commented on July 30, 2024

@bg7yoz #42 (comment)
when an app transmit JG5VFK DS1UFX/QRP RR73, it actually send .... DS1UFX/QRP 73
is it generated the wrong signal?


it might be reelated ft8_lib issue. kgoba/ft8_lib#24

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bg7yoz avatar bg7yoz commented on July 30, 2024

hi, d3m3vilurr

我测试了一下,确实存在JG5VFK DS1UFX/QRP RR73 被错误地发送JG5VFK DS1UFX/QRP 73了。

这个错误发生在FT8Package.java 第76行。
data[9] = (byte) (data[9] | 0x80);

应当改为:
data[9] = (byte) (data[9] | 0x00);
JG5VFK DS1UFX/QRP RR73 中的DS1UFX/QRP是非标准呼号,发送RR73必须是非标准呼叫(NonStd Call,i3=4)。
非标准呼叫的格式为:h12 c58 h1 r2 c1

其中,r2=1为RRR,r2=2为RR73,r2=3为73。
因为我是参照了Karlis Goba的代码,此部分可能在测试时没有发现,也许疏忽,把RR73与73的字段值混淆了。

这个问题将在0.91版本修正。

注:
JG5VFK与DS1UFX/QRP通联的标准过程如下:

TX6: CQ DS1UFX/QRP (非标准消息,i3=4,h12 c58 h1 r2 c1)
TX1: <DS1UFX/QRP> JG5VFK OL50 (标准消息,i3=1,c28 r1 c28 r1 R1 g15)
TX2: JG5VFK <DS1UFX/QRP> -05 (标准消息,i3=1,c28 r1 c28 r1 R1 g15)
TX3: <DS1UFX/QRP> JG5VFK R-13 (标准消息,i3=1,c28 r1 c28 r1 R1 g15)
TX4: DS1UFX/QRP RR73 (非标准消息,i3=4,h12 c58 h1 r2 c1)
TX5: <DS1UFX/QRP> JG5VFK 73 (标准消息,i3=1,c28 r1 c28 r1 R1 g15)

感谢!73!

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d3m3vilurr avatar d3m3vilurr commented on July 30, 2024

@bg7yoz thank you!

imo original ft8_lib has some missing callsign parts which wsjt-x is supported
(for example, ZA/K1ABC)
I also tested current master & update_to_0_2 of ft8_lib in local PC.
both versions has some buggy/missing feature parts :)

I shared this issue that we cannot use /P and extra non standard marker(such as /QRP until fixing)
to POTA hams of my country.
but near country friends, japan hams usually use /P & /1 suffixes.
I'm worried it is safe or not in FT8CN.

anyway FT8CN is really awesome & cool.
thank you & 73

DS1UFX

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bg7yoz avatar bg7yoz commented on July 30, 2024

@d3m3vilurr

/P和/R是FT8协议中标准的呼号后缀,而/1不是。标准的后缀生成的消息是标准消息(i3=1),而/1后缀的消息会是非标准消息(i3=4),我记得在ft8_lib中,好像没有支持非标准的消息(i=4),如果呼号为非标准呼号,它会直接输出自由文本(i3=0,n3=0)。FT8CN是支持非标准消息的(i3=4),我是为此单独写了这部分代码(从ft8cn 0.63版开始),如果感兴趣,您可以参照FT8Package.java修改ft8_lib对应的代码。

FT8CN发送部分的代码是独立开发的,不会出现无法识别/1后缀的问题(带有非标准呼号的消息会根据情况生成为非标准消息,i3=4)。

在FT8CN的消息列表中,会标注出消息的类型,其目的就是防止把自由文本消息(i3=0,n3=0)的消息混淆成正常的消息。

73!

bg7yoz

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d3m3vilurr avatar d3m3vilurr commented on July 30, 2024

@bg7yoz thank you for your explanation.
And sorry. I didn't read the source code carefully. so I thought it only uses ft8_lib and share the bug.
but it supports more! and it already resolved a lot of things. 👍

ty I'll read FT8Package.java :)

73 DS1UFX

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