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Analysing Sewage Information from the UK Environment Agency
Home Page: https://top-of-the-poops.org
License: Other
Hello,
We're looking to publish a story in the next few days and want to clarify which river No. 20 is on the worst polluted rivers list?
Is it The River Taff/Taf that runs through Cardiff or the Taf that runs through West Wales
Thanks
There are two Water and Sewage Companies in Wales, Dwr Cymru and Hafren Dyfrydwy. They're small (~50 EDMs), but it fills in that gap in north-mid Wales that looks a bit blank on your map of EDMs ;)
Hi there
Love your work!
I have programmatically pulled 'event' data from Southern Water's self reporting tool: Beachbuoy
I've uploaded it to a github repo here: https://github.com/cleansouthernwater/Beach-Buoy-Event-Data
Perhaps it may be of use to you...
Hi
Just to say that you describe your data as covering the UK but I don't believe you are covering Northern Ireland which is part of the UK
Good job otherwise
David Brown
The data for my local area/MP seems to be missing – is it possible to add the info for Stephen McPartland MP in the constituency of Stevenage..?
Thanks.
Hi all,
We're going to use this data for a story about sewage discharges in west Wales, in particular Dwyfor Meirionnydd and Ceredigion. We've been in communication with Welsh Water, as you can imagine. Its comms people are suggesting we ought to be cautious about using this data as it could be inaccurate.
I wonder, therefore, whether they have contacted you and offered you fully accurate data? Given your figures could be so reputationally damaging to them, you'd think they would have had a rebuttal prepared, no? If they haven't it tells me your data must be fairly accurate, as you've suggested. But I just want to check.
Also, surely for the Welsh discharges you've looked at Welsh Water data as well as NRW data. Or just WW?
Please get back to me as soon as possible. We are publishing early next week.
Please offer comment too should you wish.
Thanks very much.
Regards,
Felix Nobes
This isn't really an "issue", but you did say "let us know how you get on" down here in Cornwall. Please let me know if there's a more appropriate place for this sort of thing.
I've sorted out my 2020/21 data source issues, and I am now eagerly awaiting the data for 2022. When does it usually emerge?
Since we last spoke I've appeared on ITV, albeit regarding "industrial" pollution of rivers. I've also appeared on the BBC, regarding the ongoing drought in Kernow.
I've had numerous discussions with @SWWHelp on Twitter, but they still haven't answered the £64 billion question:
https://twitter.com/DavidstowInfo/status/1634238007652827209
"How much poop does the Environment Agency permit SWW to flush into the ocean?"
I've also (a bit belatedly) received a response from SWW to an EIR request:
"Storm overflows (SO) are built into the sewer network system so that at times of high network pressure, when flows are increased by heavy rainfall for example, they can take excess volumes of water out of the system, discharging flows to a river or stream. This ensures homes and businesses are not flooded. SOs were built as part of the system and we have permits from the Environment Agency (EA) to operate them, SO releases are not deemed pollutions , they are designed to spill when flows are increased.
If a SO spill is categorised as a ‘wastewater pollution’ incident by the EA, it is because it has operated outside its permit...
A SWW Beachlive alert is generated at bathing water site level, not SWW SO level. An alert is triggered when an overflow event occurs which could temporarily affect bathing water quality, this is when an overflow/s operates for more than a specified duration in a rolling 12-hour period.
The specified duration at each bathing water is based upon EA’s assessments. They may differ at each bathing water due to the position, length and diameter of the overflows and other local factors such as hydrodynamics. We issue Beachlive alerts 24/7/265"
There are other EIRs from your truly in the SWW queue, albeit more to do with the supply side at the moment.
Also Feargal "retweeted" my Cornish alter ego yesterday:
https://twitter.com/DavidstowInfo/status/1634321040791728128
15K views and counting.
Jim
Never having used Node before I had to install a long list of undocumented stuff I've never previously heard of. Eventually make seemed to work, however...
When it came to download the constituency data the install ground to a halt. It seems the location of said data has changed?
Jim
As longer rivers would be expected to receive more discharge, Is it possible to display the data proportional to river length?
I am struggling to find a comprehensive dataset on length of UK rivers to do a comparison myself, thanks.
Hi,
Good work on the web site. I generally support what you are aiming to do, but have some questions and possible concerns about the validity of the data. I've seen the warning you give.
We have a local press report regarding a "cocktail of filth dumped into seas". I believe it is based on ToTPs information. It lists the 10 worst North Wales beaches for sewage spills in 2022. Morfa Nefyn, close to where I live is listed as number 2 with 521 spills and 1571 hours total duration.
I assume this is related to information provided here by Dwr Cymru (Welsh Water):
https://corporate.dwrcymru.com/en/community/environment/combined-storm-overflows
A couple of questions...
When you refer to a beach, I assume you are using the water companies catchment area designation, and not actually the beach. Is that correct? In our case the waste water overflow discharges will be in areas east and west of Morfa Nefyn beach and not actually associated with Morfa Nefyn beach.
Adding all the hours of overflow, for all the facilities in the catchment, I see where the total hours come from. The bulk of the overflows are associated with a WWTW in this area. This is serving the small local community. I agree overflows are not good, but an overflow from a small treatment works is a lot less volume than an overflow from from a large treatment works serving a larger population.
Consequently, I think the press article gives Morfa Nefyn beach a bit of an undeserved label. The bathing water quality is assessed by Natural resources Wales and is assessed as excellent.
https://environment.data.gov.uk/wales/bathing-waters/profiles/
Is there any way any of this could be addressed to be provide more representative information?
The data you have for Rode (on the River Frome, in the Somerton & Frome constituency) is missing the figures for the Rode Wastewater Treatment Works (permit 11560 - 82 overflows, for 1248 hours). You are only showing the data for the much smaller overflow - permit 100190)
See https://its-airborne.org/technologies which works with github-backed sites such as this.
Why don't you express the hours of discharge as a % of operating hrs?
Hi - There is more than 1 river Rea in Severn Trent data.
Need to split the Stottesdon and Cleobury Mortimer spills which flow in to the Teme then the Severn
vs the Rea in Birmingham which flows down to the Trent and to Humber / North Sea
Hi!
Apologies for logging an issue when I actually just want to get in touch - I am not sure how to use this site so not quite sure how to message you!
My name is Amy Slack and I am Head of Campaigns & Policy at Surfers Against Sewage. As you may be awear, we have been campaigning on the issue of sewage pollution for over 30 years and now lead a coalition of organisations and community groups called the #EndSewagePollution coalition who have come together over the last 18 months to drive the agenda with the public and with politicians, particularly through the Environment Act.
The reason for getting in touch is mainly to connect with you. 'Top of the Poops' is a great website and we love it here at Surfers Against Sewage! It would be great to have an informal chat with you and to introduce ourselves more than anything. It would be great to understand your plans for this site going forward and to share our campaign plans a bit with you.
You can reach me directly on xxx private information redacted by top-poop
Look forward to talking!
Many thanks
Amy
Hi 👋
Great work on this site!
I've checked out the code, and been trying to get all the data in order to generate data / rankings for the new UK constituencies (post the final boundary review recommendations which came out this year).
I've managed to source a combined dataset of the new shapefiles from MySociety:
And I've got that downloading and loaded into the PostGIS database (I'll put in a PR shortly to show where I'm up to).
However, when I get to the stage of actually loading the water company data, I'm getting errors on the Wales dataset (there's a comment - link looks dodgy - might be time limited?
- in the makefile against the consents-wales.zip
file, which is the one I'm unable to download).
Do you know where you managed to get this link from? As per the comment, it may be a time-limited download token, but I couldn't find a data download on Wales Water (just a link to an online map...)
Thanks!
Hi. Trying to understand the ?duplicate? Radcliffe Central CSO[s] on the River Irwell.
One shows 23 dumps over 23 hours UU and the other shows 20 dumps over 48 hours UU.
I don't want to criticise UU unduly. They do enough of that by themselves...
Much appreciate the work that you do folks.
I hope this image is correct and helps your understanding. I took a screen shot and pasted it.
Regards
The data for the River Lim doesn't include the Uplyme Sewage Treatment Works which it should - it says it's on a tributary but is actually within a metre or so of the main river. The spillage hours are over 2000 in total for the river according to the EA data.
Spill data for 2022 - Lyme Regis.xlsx
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