Major Announcement regarding Player and Studio about vinegar HOT 67 CLOSED

Time to shut down this project along with grapejuice

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Well I mean at least they didn't take a month to answer

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Type roblox-player:1+launchmode:app+channel:zlive in your browser url bar, it will launch the app without the error (we might not want Roblox noticing this).
I found the command in https://gitlab.com/brinkervii/grapejuice/-/issues/454

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Well if any of you liked playing Roblox get ready to dual-boot

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So it seemed to fix itself with mem issue, but it upgraded and broken again

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The only thing I can think of is spinning up a windows virtual machine to run Roblox, as that will not need wine to run. Still a shame, as the performance impact will be much larger than compatibility layers. I have one question though, what does the new 64-bit client have to do with this?

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The 64 Bit Player client includes the new Byfron anti-cheat which has been specifically set to detect and thwart attempts to use Wine.

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Why do they feel the need to block Wine users? Roblox's history strongly suggests they won't give a second look at Linux compatibility ever again, and that statement was made to delay the pitchforks. Their statements on the reason they blocked Wine also sounds like a whole load of corporate bs to me. Seems like they are trying to cover up some other reason.

Sorry if I sound insane right now, but companies pulling stuff like this isn't new, and I don't think this is an exception. :(

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Why do they feel the need to block Wine users? Roblox's history strongly suggests they won't give a second look at Linux compatibility ever again, and that statement was made to delay the pitchforks. Their statements on the reason they blocked Wine also sounds like a whole load of corporate bs to me. Seems like they are trying to cover up some other reason.

Sorry if I sound insane right now, but companies pulling stuff like this isn't new, and I don't think this is an exception.

I've read here that it is not a permanent measure, rather they are trying to collect crash data from bare-metal Roblox client bugs on Windows for the foreseeable future. Punishing users who play via Wine is reportedly not their intent.

Still not ideal for us in the short term, however.

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Fair point, but the percentage of Roblox players playing on Linux is so low that the crash data they get from us would probably fly under their radar though. Might just be an overly cautious decision, but nevertheless it was kind of crappy in my opinion.

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Fair point, but the percentage of Roblox players playing on Linux is so low that the crash data they get from us would probably fly under their radar though. Might just be an overly cautious decision, but nevertheless it was kind of crappy in my opinion.

10 million users play roblox every month, there are about 200k ROL users, so its safe to say that around 100k users use ROL every month, 25% of that would have the new client, so thats still 25k unusable crash data.

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so thats still 25k unusable crash data

And their solution is to just straight up close access? I don't think I'll be playing if they close it anyway. IDK how people will be willing to get another OS to play roblox, because I'm certainly not going to.
That would mean that the 25k you mention might be even less.

Regardless, even if its 100k users, that is very little compared to literally everything else. 100k people is 0.1%, to gain what, a 0.05% more people? probably less since people that dual-boot windows will prob already use roblox there! and that is if everyone got the new client, which probably won't happen. Just like that "new" menu I still haven't gotten.

It's safe to say that they are getting like a gain of 0.0125% (half of those 25k monthly users).
It makes no sense to me, but then again, this is how a lot of business handle things.

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by the way, I'm guessing this still applies to grapejuice and just trying to use wine in general?

Why can roblox just try releasing something for the steam deck... that would be so helpful

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The only thing I can think of is spinning up a windows virtual machine to run Roblox, as that will not need wine to run. Still a shame, as the performance impact will be much larger than compatibility layers.

a gpu passthrough might be able to help with that (not completely eliminate the issue, but help), however the manual per-user overhead would be significantly higher during initial setup, and it's more volatile to dying whenever windows/nvidia/roblox decide to change shit

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Roblox byfron can detect and block VM from what I have seen.

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Roblox byfron can detect and block VM from what I have seen.

Yeah! They do! They are also blocking virtual machines. I found out about it on a the forums but I can't find the comment.

Anyway, I found some info if anyone wants it:
https://devforum.roblox.com/t/the-new-roblox-64-bit-byfron-client-forbids-wine-users-from-using-it-most-likely-unintentional/2305528/149
or if you're lazy:

1. At this point in time, Hyperion is not compatible with Wine.
2. We have disabled Wine to avoid unnecessary clutter in our Telemetry.
3. Even if we could find a way to disable Telemetry for Wine only, the client would still not run, so it doesn’t make sense to do so.

To quote myself from the above post: First and most importantly, we are not trying to punish the use of Wine.

Oh and I can't find it but they said "We're planning to release wine compatibility". But it's most likely never going to happen.

Some good news though! Apparently only the client is affected, so if anyone likes to use studio you're fine.

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Type roblox-player:1+launchmode:app+channel:zlive in your browser url bar, it will launch the app without the error (we might not want Roblox noticing this). I found the command in https://gitlab.com/brinkervii/grapejuice/-/issues/454

I am sad to announce that this command does not work anymore. :(

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Game over guys, ZLIVE is now patched out

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Time for a Windows partition...

😭

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Time to shut down this project along with grapejuice

A roblox admin mentioned they might try to get wine working again, but given it was so vague, it might just be damage control.

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Time to shut down this project along with grapejuice

A roblox admin mentioned they might try to get wine working again, but given it was so vague, it might just be damage control.

I think it was more to prevent backlash (which didn't work) than actually supporting Linux community

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Correct me if I am missing something but according to areweanticheatyet.com, Apex Legends uses hyperion and runs under proton, so what exactly would be stopping the new client to run under linux? (Besides the manual blocking from roblox)

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it uses EAC, which has native support for Wine, and the same goes for Hyperion.

So realistically roblox is stopping it.

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They don't want "bloated reports for an unsupported medium" and also "it'd take too much effort to filter out wine users"

Not exactly their word but they said it

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Time for a Windows partition...

😭

Anyone know a modified windows version lightweight enough for gaming only purposes and doesn't install useless dlls

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heard something about atlas OS. They just released the much needed security update, but I heard it runs like a charm. Although you'll need to enable/disable mitigations depending on your hardware, and some other stuff.

Custom ISOs aren't worth it, they often come without protection and Microsoft really hates custom ISOs for a reason.

Install WindowsDebloater10 was my go-to option s few years back, maybe that's enough for you (removing Cortana/OneDrive)

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Time for a Windows partition...
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Anyone know a modified windows version lightweight enough for gaming only purposes and doesn't install useless dlls

Tiny11 is what I'm using. It's a little TOO lightweight out of the box for Roblox. Have to reinstall edge and manually enable IE compatibility mode, or at least I did. Had to manually install the RCO json file as well. It was enough for me to be happy with it.

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@masakk1 Linus did mention atlasOS in one of his newer videos, but other YouTubers have found out that the operating system removes extremely crucial defense mechanisms for slight performance gains. Like you mentioned, Windows Debloater and other such tools are a much better option for something like this compared to custom ISOs.

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Genymotion can work, but I don't think they have mouse lock but it works for no mouse dependent games

(I cant actually play flagwars, I just had that to test mouse lock)

If you wanna install roblox on genymotion USE THIS GUIDE https://docs.genymotion.com/desktop/041_Deploying_an_app/#install-the-arm-translation-tools

THIS IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR WINE AND ROBLOX; IT IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION FOR NOW

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A roblox admin said that they "are aiming to support Wine again"

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@Vicky-Boi They re-added everything that most videos said in the latest update! I still wouldn't recommend it yet.... But it might be something to look forward to.

In the mean time, windows10debloater does part of the job

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My friend suggested something. @ceat-ceat

Roblox exploiters use Microsoft store version, beacuase anti cheat is not present there

This could be valuable we just need to extract the Microsoft store version

Not guaranteed to work but could help

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https://filetransfer.io/data-package/i8OY67DM#link

Extracted this out of the microsoft store package if @ceat-ceat is telling truth, could be useful

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Update: I have no idea whether this guy is posted this for damage control, but if they arent lying we may have it back in a few weeks

I was just bored and decided to start a stopwatch on the roblox and this guy replied

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/15q5i6l/comment/jw18loq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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It works except that going into a game freezes the client

Im using zintegration channel btw

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Im just frozen

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Now it just keeps crashing when I enter a game

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I cant install: (ARCH AUR newest GIT)

2023/08/18 13:36:54 Checking for Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 Installing Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 Fetching packages for https://setup.rbxcdn.com/version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 unhandled package manifest version: [<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<Error><Code>AccessDenied</Code><Message>Access Denied</Message><RequestId>RQ8C0RJX001MK2X7</RequestId><HostId>6m1LIwEH4cNEVL2lUYutQhjbJF5f2D55U6ixBo2CJJJLFYYj7Z/LBB03TScCEYtioqR3p/7lfn8=</HostId></Error>]

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I cant install: (ARCH AUR newest GIT)

2023/08/18 13:36:54 Checking for Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 Installing Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 Fetching packages for https://setup.rbxcdn.com/version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 unhandled package manifest version: [<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<Error><Code>AccessDenied</Code><Message>Access Denied</Message><RequestId>RQ8C0RJX001MK2X7</RequestId><HostId>6m1LIwEH4cNEVL2lUYutQhjbJF5f2D55U6ixBo2CJJJLFYYj7Z/LBB03TScCEYtioqR3p/7lfn8=</HostId></Error>]

I don't think this is the latest git, because it's using setup.rbxcdn.com

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I cant install: (ARCH AUR newest GIT)

2023/08/18 13:36:54 Checking for Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 Installing Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 Fetching packages for https://setup.rbxcdn.com/version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 unhandled package manifest version: [<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<Error><Code>AccessDenied</Code><Message>Access Denied</Message><RequestId>RQ8C0RJX001MK2X7</RequestId><HostId>6m1LIwEH4cNEVL2lUYutQhjbJF5f2D55U6ixBo2CJJJLFYYj7Z/LBB03TScCEYtioqR3p/7lfn8=</HostId></Error>]

I don't think this is the latest git, because it's using setup.rbxcdn.com

i reeinstalled multiple times from GIT, cleaned the install cloned the GIT manually and built it, still same

my execute command is vinegar player

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I cant install: (ARCH AUR newest GIT)

2023/08/18 13:36:54 Checking for Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 Installing Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 Fetching packages for https://setup.rbxcdn.com/version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 13:36:54 unhandled package manifest version: [<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<Error><Code>AccessDenied</Code><Message>Access Denied</Message><RequestId>RQ8C0RJX001MK2X7</RequestId><HostId>6m1LIwEH4cNEVL2lUYutQhjbJF5f2D55U6ixBo2CJJJLFYYj7Z/LBB03TScCEYtioqR3p/7lfn8=</HostId></Error>]

I don't think this is the latest git, because it's using setup.rbxcdn.com

i reeinstalled multiple times from GIT, cleaned the install cloned the GIT manually and built it, still same

my execute command is vinegar player

Did you try with vinegar player --app?

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the version url is forced to use the ZIntegration channel, while the deploy is not.

You have to set the channel manually in the configuration to zintegration:

rco = false

[channels]
force = true
player = "zintegration"

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Now it dies with this:

and the output:

2023/08/18 14:03:28 Warning: Roblox user set channel:
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Warning: Using user channel zintegration
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Checking for Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Uninstalling DXVK
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d9.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d10core.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d11.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/dxgi.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d9.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d10core.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d11.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/dxgi.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Updating wineprefix
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Installing DXVK 2.2
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DXVK
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d9.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d11.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d10core.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/dxgi.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d9.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d11.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d10core.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/dxgi.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:33 Applying custom FFlags to Client
2023/08/18 14:03:33 Applying RCO FFlags
2023/08/18 14:03:33 Launching RobloxPlayerBeta.exe version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 14:03:33 [wine /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/versions/version-17bbdb47e08c411d/RobloxPlayerBeta.exe]
2023/08/18 14:03:33 Wine log file: /home/kaktus/.cache/vinegar/logs/RobloxPlayerBeta.exe-2023-08-18T14:03:33+02:00.log
2023/08/18 14:03:35 exit status 4

and the log:

0178:fixme:ntdll:NtRaiseHardError c0000005 stub

(thats it, very short)

config:

rco = true
autokill = true
dxvk = false
log = true
prime = false
launcher = ""
renderer = "OpenGL"
version = "win10"
wineroot = ""

[channels]
  force = true
  player = "zintegration"
  studio = ""

[env]
  DXVK_LOG_LEVEL = "info"
  DXVK_LOG_PATH = "none"
  DXVK_STATE_CACHE_PATH = "/home/kaktus/.cache/vinegar/dxvk"
  MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE = "4.4"
  WINEARCH = "win64"
  WINEDEBUG = ""
  WINEDLLOVERRIDES = "dxdiagn=d;winemenubuilder.exe=d;"
  WINEESYNC = "0"
  WINEFSYNC = "1"
  WINEPREFIX = "/home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix"
  __GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS = "1"

[fflags]
  DFIntTaskSchedulerTargetFps = 30

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Now it dies with this:

and the output:

2023/08/18 14:03:28 Warning: Roblox user set channel:
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Warning: Using user channel zintegration
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Checking for Roblox version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Uninstalling DXVK
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d9.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d10core.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d11.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/dxgi.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d9.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d10core.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d11.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Removing DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/dxgi.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:28 Updating wineprefix
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Installing DXVK 2.2
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DXVK
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d9.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d11.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/d3d10core.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/syswow64/dxgi.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d9.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d11.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/d3d10core.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:32 Extracting DLL: /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix/drive_c/windows/system32/dxgi.dll
2023/08/18 14:03:33 Applying custom FFlags to Client
2023/08/18 14:03:33 Applying RCO FFlags
2023/08/18 14:03:33 Launching RobloxPlayerBeta.exe version-17bbdb47e08c411d
2023/08/18 14:03:33 [wine /home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/versions/version-17bbdb47e08c411d/RobloxPlayerBeta.exe]
2023/08/18 14:03:33 Wine log file: /home/kaktus/.cache/vinegar/logs/RobloxPlayerBeta.exe-2023-08-18T14:03:33+02:00.log
2023/08/18 14:03:35 exit status 4

and the log:

0178:fixme:ntdll:NtRaiseHardError c0000005 stub

(thats it, very short)

config:

rco = true
autokill = true
dxvk = false
log = true
prime = false
launcher = ""
renderer = "OpenGL"
version = "win10"
wineroot = ""

[channels]
  force = true
  player = "zintegration"
  studio = ""

[env]
  DXVK_LOG_LEVEL = "info"
  DXVK_LOG_PATH = "none"
  DXVK_STATE_CACHE_PATH = "/home/kaktus/.cache/vinegar/dxvk"
  MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE = "4.4"
  WINEARCH = "win64"
  WINEDEBUG = ""
  WINEDLLOVERRIDES = "dxdiagn=d;winemenubuilder.exe=d;"
  WINEESYNC = "0"
  WINEFSYNC = "1"
  WINEPREFIX = "/home/kaktus/.local/share/vinegar/prefix"
  __GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS = "1"

[fflags]
  DFIntTaskSchedulerTargetFps = 30

Set rco to false

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tried that already, same error

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tried that already, same error

What is your wine version?

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wine-8.13 (Staging)

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wine-8.13 (Staging)

Use wine-ge-custom instead

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ah, thanks!

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EVERYONE
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/15u5tpn/comment/jwoz13u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

ITS HERE

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we know, there was discussion above already about getting vinegar working with integration.

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I got it working for a bit except going in a game keeps crashing

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This is due to roblox memory leakage.

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This is due to roblox memory leakage.

thought so

is there a fix for it

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are you running with SUDO?
DONT DO THAT

or is your main user a SUDO user or has those privileges
if yes, WTF ARE YOU DOING

because fior me it works

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or is your main user a SUDO user or has those privileges
if yes, WTF ARE YOU DOING

WINE does not have support for users from what i've heard, so it runs everything at an 'administrative' level

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yeah 'sudo vinegar player' didnt change anything
other than i thought it would

but it also doesnt give me an error on re-installing it
it just works:tm:

hmmm

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are you running with SUDO?
DONT DO THAT

or is your main user a SUDO user or has those privileges
if yes, WTF ARE YOU DOING

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xD i tried to break it

maybe its grapejuice

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no grapejuice works (at least when not running with sudo, grapejuice is so bad to configure im not doing it again)

maybe its privileges and sudo but only on grapejuice or someone did a very bad job of linuxing (using linux to play roblox)

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Closing thread due to outdated info

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I got the game working under the zcanary channel, with the git package from the AUR

only for about a minute into an experience, and then the game freezes, with this in the logs

Error [GENERAL |  | OpenXR-Loader] : RuntimeManifestFile::FindManifestFiles - failed to find active runtime file in registry
Error [GENERAL | xrEnumerateInstanceExtensionProperties | OpenXR-Loader] : RuntimeInterface::LoadRuntimes - unknown error
Error [GENERAL | xrEnumerateInstanceExtensionProperties | OpenXR-Loader] : RuntimeInterface::LoadRuntimes - failed to load a runtime
Error [GENERAL | xrEnumerateInstanceExtensionProperties | OpenXR-Loader] : Failed to find default runtime with RuntimeInterface::LoadRuntime()
Error [GENERAL | xrEnumerateInstanceExtensionProperties | OpenXR-Loader] : Failed querying extension properties

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dont use proton-ge + vulkan renderer if you did it

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k wine-ge fixed it all g sorry

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